Rochester NY 912 Project-We Surround Rochester Message Board Archive 2/2009 thru 5/2011 › Where do we go from here?? And State Nullification.

Where do we go from here?? And State Nullification.

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Ken H
Posted Nov 17, 2009 10:36 AM
kenh.
Williamson, NY
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Posted at the Tenth Amendment Center. Exactly what we've been talking about... what's our next effective move, since it seems 'write your Congressman' is moot with these non-representing 'Representatives'.

And they also have this terrific post on how Nullification of the Federal Law is a real possibility for the Health Care Takeover if it goest through. They suggest state level work on these issues will be *much* more effective than Marches.



Here's the article on What's Next?:
Don't miss the one on Nullification HERE.

by Rob Natelson

The recent election results in Virginia and New Jersey – representing in part a strong repudiation of the threats to freedom over the past year – have energized many pro-liberty activists. It is imperative that we keep the pressure on.
But we can be sure the other side will try to trick us into damaging statements in order to discredit us, or lure us into time-wasting strategies.

So here are a few things to remember:

* Let’s keep our eye on the ball. The ultimate goal of most in the Tenth Amendment movement is to restore constitutional limits to the federal government. Our Constitution – not any peripheral or personal causes – is what we are working for.

* Swarm, swarm, swarm. The focus for the short-term has to be continue to “swarm” our elected representatives, get in their faces, and tell them over and over that more deficit spending or tax increases are simply unacceptable. So also is any major expansion of government control, particularly a takeover of heath care.

* Restoring limits on the feds. The focus long-term has to be one or more constitutional amendments to put the federal government’s house back in order and protect future generations from the kinds of assaults on our freedom we have faced over the last year. When a system breaks down, sometimes you have to patch up to set it right — just as our fathers and grandfathers adopted the 22nd Amendment to re-establish the two-term presidential tradition that Franklin Roosevelt had disregarded. That’s our situation now.

* 2010 elections. The focus medium-term is now the 2010 elections – not just for Congress, but particularly on the state level. This is because constitutional amendments to curb Congress’s powers are probably not going to come from Congress. The states will have to use the Constitution’s state-proposal procedure.

* Don’t let the bad guys marginalize you. Talk of actions such as secession suggest that we are the ones willing to destroy our constitutional system – when in fact the opposition has that dubious distinction.

* Work smart. The other side has a lot of people who work full-time in politics or who work for the government, which sometimes amounts to nearly the same thing. That’s in addition to Soros money. So we have to carefully husband our resources – devote your time and energy only to things that make sense in view of our goals.

* Don’t waste your time on stupid or impossible causes. Here are a few causes that are certain time-wasters: (1) impeaching Obama (impossible while the Dems control Congress, even assuming there are grounds to do so), (2) recalling U.S. Senators or Congressmen before their terms are up (there is no recall procedure authorized by the Constitution or federal law), and (3) secession movements (which, besides conceding the Constitution to the other side, overlooks the fact that they have the nuclear weapons).

* Again, keep your eyes on the ball – restore the Constitution. That means letters to the editor, candidate identification, working in the political party of your choice, fundraising, keeping in touch with others in the Tenth Amendment movement, and educating yourself by visiting great websites like the Tenth Amendment Center.


Rob Natelson is a constitutional law professor at the University of Montana, and runner-up in the 2000 “open primary” for Governor of Montana. His opinions are his own, and should not be attributed to any other person or institution.
Robert and Jennife...
Posted Nov 17, 2009 1:21 PM
user 10482252
Skaneateles, NY
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Here is where we need to go:

http://www.wagthedog2...

Click on the link, and watch "The Strangest Political Secret."

Then, if you agree with Jim Condit, join his group:

http://www.meetup.com...

Learn how to become a precinct committeeman, then go and do it!
Paul
Posted Nov 17, 2009 6:50 PM
user 8990462
Rochester, NY
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In answer to Where do we go from here??

If you have not already done so, please visit the Files section and play the speach from Mrs. Yvonne Donnelly, Glens Volunteer National 912 director. She indicates that Glenn is going to be making a major announcement soon and also talks about some very specific ideas on Where do we go from here.

Link to Speach

Thanks,

Paul
Wendy T.
Posted Nov 17, 2009 7:00 PM
Indivisible
Rochester, NY
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Glenn said on both radio and TV that he'll be unveiling something this Saturday at 3pm at the Villages.
Paul
Posted Nov 17, 2009 7:08 PM
user 8990462
Rochester, NY
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Glenn said on both radio and TV that he'll be unveiling something this Saturday at 3pm at the Villages.


At the Villages? REALLY???

Thanks for the info Wendy I missed the Radio show today.
A former member
Posted Nov 17, 2009 7:35 PM
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Glenn said on both radio and TV that he'll be unveiling something this Saturday at 3pm at the Villages.


At the Villages? REALLY???

Thanks for the info Wendy I missed the Radio show today.

Yep, the Villages. Rumor has it that it's Florida's friendliest home town. biggrin
Gail Allen
Posted Nov 20, 2009 8:59 AM
IWantTheTruth
Rochester, NY
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Is anyone else having a problem getting the audio from Paul's link and also directly from our FILES folder of Yvonne Donnelly, Glens Volunteer National 912 director? Thanks.
Wendy T.
Posted Nov 20, 2009 9:36 AM
Indivisible
Rochester, NY
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Nothing to do with the actual topic of this discussion but... does anybody else see the title, 'Where do we go from here...' and think Alan Parsons Project? This drives me crazy - a simple phrase reminds me of a song and the song gets stuck in my head all day. I couldn't get side-tracked again today so I dug out the disc and listened to the song. For anyone else so afflicted, here are the lyrics, which actually do apply to the topic...


Where do we go from here
now that all of the children are grown up
and how do we spend our lives
if there`s no one to give us a hand

I don't wanna live here no more
I don't wanna stay
ain't gonna spend the rest of my life
quietly fading away

games people play
you take it or you leave it
hard or right
if I promise you the moon and the stars
would you believe it?
games people play in the middle of the night

where do we go from here
now that all of the children are grown up
and how do we spend our lives
if there's no one to give us a hand

I don't wanna live here no more
I don't wanna stay
ain't gonna spend the rest of my life
quietly fading away

games people play
you take it or you leave it
the things that they say
just don't make it right
if I'm telling you the truth right now
would you believe it?
games people play in the middle of the night
(guitar solo)
Eileen
Posted Nov 22, 2009 9:09 AM
EileenGSDLvr
Rochester, NY
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Thank you for the information; I have no intention of quietly submitting to rogue politicians. I can't wait to check out the Tenth Amendment Center!

"We should never despair, our Situation before has been unpromising and has changed
for the better, so I trust, it will again. If new difficulties arise, we must only put forth new Exertions and proportion our Efforts to the exigency of the times."

— George Washington, letter to Philip Schuyler, 1777


Eileen
Ken H
Posted Nov 22, 2009 7:01 PM
kenh.
Williamson, NY
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Just as an FYI, the Precinct idea seems like it might have impact, to take over the parties from the inside... I'm certainly open to hearing more from everyone on that.

BUT, that web site was a bag of hurt. (the wag the dog one)

He starts out by throwing out 'new world order' and then the second video is all about donating to their movement and how they have generous commisions if you want to get involved. Including joining his MLM:

(You can also help the precinct strategy -- and help your family fight infections, viruses, swine flu or any other potential plague -- by investigating and purchasing MMS mineral breakthrough ($20 per year per family!) at www.NetworkAmericaStore.com -- seriously, this may be our only hope against a real or contrived plague or pandemic. We urge you to check it out for your family's sake.)

Soooo, maybe just go to that meetup group

but I'd be embarrassed if anyone thought we were associated with the kind of mixed messages he's saying on the main site.

YMMV

KenH


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